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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby nife » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:39 am

Orbital wrote:I'm actually more concerned about stuff like this:

Crablezworth wrote:Imperial Statuary is all imperial models within 2" of the terrain piece are fearless.


I'm not crazy for terrain rules which give a bonus to only specific armies. Specific units, sure... because every army has a few of every unit. But a freebie for Imperials? It's just plain, old-fashioned unfair.

There will probably be an equivalent terrain piece for each (or most) armies. But I agree with you that's it's still problematic, because it means that the presence of those terrain pieces will either come down to random rolling on a terrain chart (in which case the bonuses will be doled out by luck of the draw) or by player agreement (in which case either none of that terrain will be used, or you'll end up fighting on a board where the Dark Eldar decided to build an Excruciation Shack within spitting distance of a Tyranid Spore Spire, or the IG raised a Comms Tower 30 feet across from a Daemonic Warp Pool, and having to endure the cognitive dissonance that goes along with all that).

99% chance my gaming group just does what we did with WHFB and say almost everything is mundane terrain.
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby TrentL » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:20 am

I like the idea of terrain providing bonuses makes it important to keep it. I also don't mind the idea of two important buildings being so close to each other... but whatever bonuses they give I wouldn't want them to define the game, add some flavour and some small bonuses.

Either way the new edition has me very interested in picking up 40k again after a long break.
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby Tumal » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:33 am

Orbital wrote:
Crablezworth wrote:but for me the last straw is orks... they have 0 of 5...


At least they're still really good at what they're known for.

Eldar: Fastest? No. Most powerful psykers? No. Best shooters? No.

Just sayin'. :)


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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby nife » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:42 am

I don't think Eldar ever get to have all three of those ever again. That's kind of a 3rd edition paradigm, before Tau or properly-realized Dark Eldar could throw their hat into the 'best shooting' or 'fastest' categories. But, obviously, Eldar should always be the psychic kings. Maybe now that there are robust psychic rules that can actually be explored in their next codex.
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby Tumal » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:44 am

Celph_Titled wrote:My biggest fear of 6th ed isn't actually any of the rumors like allies, psychic shenanigans, or funky terrain; my fear is the people who decide to wait for the soft back rule book to come out instead of getting the hardcover one. The reason this is so scary is simple; some people still have an iffy grasp on 5th ed rules after 4 (5?) years and now some of these people are saying they will wait months before buying the core rule book and sitting down for a number of hours to read and reread the rules. Instead they will go into GW on release, skim over the book to see if the crazy rumors are true, and then go look at all the complaints on the internet about the new edition.

Basically by the time they actually buy their own copy of the book they will have had 2-3 months of potentially wrong rules breakdowns (look how long it took people to figure everything out with 8th) and that leads to less competent players. Personally I hate having to babysit my way through a game, and I hate people who consistently forget what edition they are playing in.


While I can't tell you that your fears are totally unfounded, what I can do is point out that many (like myself) may be tentative about spending 90 dollars on a new book for financial reasons (and yes, I do recall that I made a post about the value being semi-reasonable for the size/content). For me, it will be a matter of finances, and the projected timeline of the small book. I will be getting the mini-book, no two ways about it. But, this Saturday I am very unlikely to pick up the BYB. The Saturday after that? Possibly.

That being said, IF I don't pick up the BYB before the soft-cover one comes out, then I am very likely to continue playing 5th, or just watch 6th (kind of a weird form of voyeurism) until I can get my hands on a rule-book that I can read and learn from.

The other thing I will point out, and this is true for many things in life, is that the majority of the people who after 4 or 5 years of doing something, are still doing it wrong, is not because of 2-3 months of misinterpretations, but rather it is typically from being a willingly ignorant person, lacking the desire to learn the right way to do things. Those that DO actually want to do things the right way correct themselves as they come across the right way, or actively seek out the right way to do things. Just look at the people you work with / go to school with / etc. and you can pick out examples.

This particular community (GS) tends in my experience to contain more of the latter, those who legitimately want to work together to improve the community as a whole, and improve the knowledge base as a whole :)
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby Chimera » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:39 am

I hope they release terrain for other armies. I note the capillary towers and spore chimney are off the FW site. If they release GW kis for those I'll be rather pleased. But we really need xeno bastions and barricades of our own. Co-opting Imperial fortifications is well and good but a little too boring.
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby An00bis » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:33 am

I have a tau tower (or Tau'er) that is roughly bastion sized, will be nice to use it. just need to arm it with "heavy bolter" equivalents? XD
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby Steel Paladin » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:35 am

An00bis wrote:I have a tau tower (or Tau'er) that is roughly bastion sized, will be nice to use it. just need to arm it with "heavy bolter" equivalents? XD


So... Long-barrelled Burst Cannons?
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby An00bis » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:40 am

LB burst cannons with ap4 rounds :lol:
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Re: 6th Edition is almost upon us...

Postby KrysDagger » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:25 pm

nife wrote:99% chance my gaming group just does what we did with WHFB and say almost everything is mundane terrain.


We did that for quite a few games at first and found that it made things like woods almost not worth having on the table. I remember still being blow away when chariots could charge through a woods with only a 1/6 chance of an incident. When we started actually rolling the mystical forests it meant that they did something and I think improved the game. Ditto with random rivers. Rivers were not such a big deal, add an effect to them and suddenly the game changed (for the better).

For 6th ed, I am ok with some extra terrain rules. I do very limited tourni's where "balance" matters. I much prefer a fluffy game, and if the hords of orks get a pile of shit in their backfield that makes them FNP, and I get barricades that make my shots rending then so be it. I am looking forward to trying it out. 8th ed fantasy was much better when we stopped trying to make it 7th ed. I imagine 6th ed 40k will be the same sort of deal. It won't be 5th, and people will either deal with it or play 5th. Heck ... if they are that upset they could all go back to 4th, I a have some rulebooks I am willing to sell if someone wants to go all retro 40k :)

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