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[Feor]

Well, I'm of two minds about it. If you are saying that you can't get all your proteins, vitamins and other nutrients without eating meat, then that's incorrect.

If you're saying that you should have the right to live your life without someone giving you a hard time for eating meat, that's definitely correct. If you don't choose to live that lifestyle, nobody should give you a hard time for it.

Yes, the overall point of my statement is that one should not begrudge a Vegan his choice of lifestyle, but at the same time, said vegan should not begrudge us our choice to not follow them in said lifestyle.

However, I don't think a Vegan can get all of the nutrients he needs from what he eats. There's a difference between a vegetarian and a Vegan. A vegetarian does not eat meat. A Vegan (as far as I understand it) doesn't eat anything that came from an animal. No meat, no eggs, no milk, no yogurt, etc. I have yet to hear of a plant that is a good source of calcium. And even amongst the non-animal products that have protein in them, the amount of protein is minimal compared to an Egg or a Steak.

when you stop eating meat-you also stop eating 90% of fast food, which gives you a lot more healthy choices to make
and you will.

Not eating fast food is hardly the sole providence of vegetarians. (besides, McDonald's is Vegetarian friendly, it's not like there's actually meat in their burgers) A regular person on a regular omnivorous diet can stop eating fast food and his health will likely improve. (though his finances might suffer, healthy food doesn't tend towards being cheap)

[Orbital]

Yes, the overall point of my statement is that one should not begrudge a Vegan his choice of lifestyle, but at the same time, said vegan should not begrudge us our choice to not follow them in said lifestyle.

I think that, for the most part, that philosophy should hold true for almost anything.

However, I don't think a Vegan can get all of the nutrients he needs from what he eats.

Yes, they can. It's not even hard to do.

Not eating fast food is hardly the sole providence of vegetarians.)

He didn't say that. But you have to admit that if you adopt a lifestyle which makes fast food a non-option under any circumstances, you're generally going to be healthier than if you indulge now and then.

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[Zamfir]

out of all the vegetarians and vegans I knew, I've never known any of them to have to take supplements

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However, I don't think a Vegan can get all of the nutrients he needs from what he eats.

Yes, they can. It's not even hard to do.

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Actually, for a menstruating woman to get enough iron is fairly difficult. It can be done, but most people aren't willing to eat quite that many high-iron vegetables.

Personally, I've seen a major split. The people who go "hey vegan is cool", get all kinds of sick and tired and give it up because they're not willing to do the effort to build a balanced meal plan. The ones to take it seriously often end up much healthier.

On the other hand, the people I know who spent the effort to develop a balanced meal plan and didn't go vegetarian also ended up much healthier.

[Orbital]

Actually, for a menstruating woman to get enough iron is fairly difficult.

Probably not a lot of those here, but sure.

Personally, I've seen a major split. The people who go "hey vegan is cool", get all kinds of sick and tired and give it up because they're not willing to do the effort to build a balanced meal plan. The ones to take it seriously often end up much healthier.

On the other hand, the people I know who spent the effort to develop a balanced meal plan and didn't go vegetarian also ended up much healthier.

Well, I know I can pick up the phone and order St. Hubert or Pizza Pizza and get a meal by spending as many kilojoules as it takes to dial. If I'm at Bayshore I know I can grab A&W on the way through the food court rather than prepare and bring my own snack. If convenience is the priority then the issue of whether or not you can get what you need from a specific diet becomes secondary and you're wasting your time discussing it.

I think it's fine to say "Everyone I know does this, therefore it's true", but the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". A person who eats meat (provided we're talking about quality meat) can be healthy and get all the nutrients they need. A person who prepares and eats proper vegan meals can boast the same. A person who is primarily concerned about which is more work will probably eat poorly no matter which dietary system they subscribe to.

[Feor]

Ok, fine ,they're able to stay healthy without pills, though I do find it entertaining that when I looks up where one can get certain nutrients on a Vegan diet, the primary source is food artificially infused with said nutrients. (Calcium being the prime example, with most sites I've found citing Calcium-fortified soy-milk & Tofu made with extra calcium being the primary source)

Also, Fast Food can be Vegan friendly, do you think there's any actual meat in a McDonald's burger?

[Orbital]

Also, Fast Food can be Vegan friendly, do you think there's any actual meat in a McDonald's burger?

McDonald's food isn't human-friendly. Why would a anyone who is going to the trouble of developing a healthy diet eat there?

[Zamfir]

amen to that

[Orbital]

Ok. Let's get back to the funny.