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[Warning - long post]
Ok - it was only time for this discussion to happen...
IMO, the issue with the TD rules really come to bear when you have multiple platoons of TDs. If you are running a Tank Company with a TD platoon in support, you just don't get the same synergy around the benefit of the rules.
So a little background from me:
When V3 hit the stands, I immediately jumped on the TFA bandwagon. It took some chats with friends and test games with a good friend to make me appreciate the fact that TFA is the single biggest beneficiary of V3 - hands down. I am guessing cornishkeebler will post his thoughts - having played at least 6 warmup games with me for LW Nats. Oh yes, I am the guy that attended his first LW Nats, brought TFA and won Best Ami - thanks to Wilcox winning it all.
Like the "EW list that shall not be mentioned", the issue boils down to more than just one area. I believe the TD lists have three areas: the combination of the special rules / V3 rules, the increase in technology in LW and the point structure that needs adjustments.
Combination of Rules:
1) TD Special rules
1a) The splitting of Security Section from the TDs. Ok, so the Sec Section is a "free" platoon. It dies, so what? Yes, if you cannot pop the ambush then the TD platoon is destroyed. But in every game I played with TFA, I never lost a TD platoon by failure to pop the ambush. I can assure you that cornishkeebler did everything he could. He came really close once, but the TDs popped and bye bye enemy.
1b) You can pop the ambush even after moving the Sec Section at the double. I have yet to do this for one simple reason - I was afraid my opponent would throw their dice at me.
1c) The entire platoon is recon. Let this sink in for a second. Remember that recon themselves cannot move to within a certain range and be in LoS. This is to prevent first turn GtG getting lifted by a recon platoon. But what about the TDs themselves? I move my Sec Section in the recon move to the edge of the recon move limit. Turn 1, I pop my TDs and remember that the ambush popping rules are different - I can be outside of 4" if concealed. So my TDs pop under 16" in Turn 1. Because I have multiple TD platoons, I can use 1,2,3,4 however many TDs I want to dedicate to... lifting GtG in Turn 1. I just doubled my chances for hits. Yes, it cost me shots from the TDs, but other units can join in including smoke rounds.
1d) TDs no longer have to disengage. This is huge. With return fire, remember that chances are the TDs are concealed. Trained TDs? You still need 4+ to hit me, followed by a FP roll. See Riha's Mathemagician posts to run those numbers... The TDs will live more often than being obliterated. Next turn is a different story.
V3 rules / LW Arsenal:
1) Wheeled movement. The Sec Sections just got faster.
2) Recon jeep save. Now my Sec Section in BG&G gets a 3+ save against any hit?? What?? That means 2/3 of the hits registered to the Sec Section will "fail."
3) Increase in AT for US TDs. Now I get a 13 for Hellcats and Wolverines, Jacksons at a 14. Panthers went from being a unit to make me wake up in a cold sweat to "meh." The sheer volume of shots down range is too much.
4) Direct fire smoke for the US. This is the icing - if I have Shermans that can smoke, wait for the TDs to do their thing, then direct fire smoke. I get to choose the unit that is smoked. Add Pool in TFA and umph...
And those are just the beginning. With BG&G, Patton is an option. TFA is the only list from Turning Tide that Americans will still play. ARP and Tank Company will come out of BG&G. TD Company in BG&G is crazy good, but you will pay for it.
So in late '44, the Allies in the West finally get some stuff that can kill German armor. The LW variant Shermans, better AP rounds, etc. So this needs to be and should be reflected in the game. So we see that in BG&G. One thought that I personally have is that BF could have done something ground-breaking and create a 4th era - Late, Late War or something. Crazy idea, but it would stop the tech issue from Normandy to Bulge to Rhine Crossing.
So the real issue here are points. I will not thread jack and get into EW. But in LW, when you combine the rules, the special rules for TDs, the LW arsenal changes, tech changes, etc. you can see that points are a bit out of whack. 410 gets you Vet TD Hellcats. 102.5 points per tank. Yes, the stats are 2-0-0, RoF 2, AT 13, FP 3+. But remember the points include the Security Section and the ability to pop that ambush under 16". CV Panther (i believe out of Grey Wolf) is 186 points. My TD platoon stands a good chance of either detroying or running the Panther platoon - before the Panther can even shoot at the actual TD.
So, my TDs get what I call a "mobile spawning point", I can move the Sec Section with near impunity, pop my 102.5 pt. "tank" and cause serious, serious damage to a 186 point tank. Only then can the 186 return fire.
Does this need a "nerf"? I will let others determine that because I am biased. I do believe that a single TD support platoon does have some nice benefits. It is when you add the second, third and fourth TD platoon that it becomes a bit crazy.
As for the antidote? Sure, there is one. But if you build a list to be Anti-TFA or Anti-TD Co, you open yourself up to issues with many, many other lists.
Sorry for the long post, but in my opinion the issue is more than just TD rules themselves - it is the combination of several rules and the ability to field multiple platoons.