Charging out of a moving Rhino

[Twinlinked]

int the DH codex under dedicated transport it reads:

"A Rhino or Chimera using its top hatch as a fire point will count as open-topped if
the saving throw of any of its passengers is worse than 3+."

does this mean that if my Stormtroopers fire an assult weapon that they can assult out of the rhino since it is now open topped?

not that Storm Troopers would ever want to charge persay..

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[Manchester]

NO

[Twinlinked]

NO

lol,

that is pretty definitive

and i would support that from a Rules Intended stand point,

but do you happen to know where that is specifically stated,

it is likely somewhere in the open topped vehicle section, possible that is has to have the open topped special rule.. although that is what i would have.. but i cant find it.



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[theroyalfalcon]

the rule you reffer to was that if you were to shoot out the of hatch then the vehiculeis to be considered open topped for purposes of the vehicule taking fire in the subsequent turn only. It dates back to second ed and was held over into third. That is why it refferences the armour of the guys inside because at one time non marines could have marine tanks regularily like speeders for example and so they needed to represent the weaker riders in the defence characteristic of the vehicule. So yeah the vehicule will only count as open topped for the negative aspects of the clasification and not any of the positives.

[Twinlinked]

i understand that is the intent,

but what is says is, that it will count as opened topped if someone with 4+ armor or worse is in the vehicle, it does not say (count as opened topped for purposed of being shot at,

i'm wondering if this a loophole that GW simply did not fix due to the age of the DH codex..

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[Henshini]

You can't disembark from a vehicle during the assault phase, so this is kind of moot.

[Twinlinked]

You can't disembark from a vehicle during the assault phase, so this is kind of moot.

very interesting point,

but the rule does not say how long the vehicle counts as opened topped..

is it until the end of the shooting phase, the end of the game, the end of the player turn, until the start of my next shooting phase..

so theoretically an opponent could argue that if i shoot on turn 1 i am opened topped on turn 3 when being shot at..

in which case i could disembark and charge in the next turn..

there must be an FAQ somewhere that says it is unly until the start of you next movement shooting phase or something..

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[theroyalfalcon]

check the 3rd and 4th ed BBB they might help, I dont have either close at hand myself.

[Gahris]

Twinlinked - You can't charge out of a moving closed-top vehicle. Shooting through the hatches doesn't change the profile of the vehicle, it just makes as counts-as. Its also from an old rule from prevous editions

TRF published basically what happens:
the rule you reffer to was that if you were to shoot out the of hatch then the vehiculeis to be considered open topped for purposes of the vehicule taking fire in the subsequent turn only. It dates back to second ed and was held over into third. That is why it refferences the armour of the guys inside because at one time non marines could have marine tanks regularily like speeders for example and so they needed to represent the weaker riders in the defence characteristic of the vehicule. So yeah the vehicule will only count as open topped for the negative aspects of the clasification and not any of the positives.

[Twinlinked]

Twinlinked - You can't charge out of a moving closed-top vehicle. Shooting through the hatches doesn't change the profile of the vehicle, it just makes as counts-as. Its also from an old rule from prevous editions

TRF published basically what happens:
the rule you reffer to was that if you were to shoot out the of hatch then the vehiculeis to be considered open topped for purposes of the vehicule taking fire in the subsequent turn only. It dates back to second ed and was held over into third. That is why it refferences the armour of the guys inside because at one time non marines could have marine tanks regularily like speeders for example and so they needed to represent the weaker riders in the defence characteristic of the vehicule. So yeah the vehicule will only count as open topped for the negative aspects of the clasification and not any of the positives.

Again I understand the intent but i am not able to find any current rules that actually support this, the only rule i see is the one in the Codex that:

1. Does not indicate that this is meant only regarding shooting,

2. Does not indicate how long the vehicle remains "opened topped",

the the most logical option would be that it remains opened topped until the start of my next shooting phase, but this would mean i could disembark from an "opened topped" vehicle in my next movement phase allowing me to charge..

I understand this is rules lawyering and that it would not be a good idea to try and pull it in a game, but i am wondering if someone can point to an actual rule that says this is not the case since codex trumps BRB and seems to leave actual rule quite open ended, I'm sure there is an official ruling, i'm just not sure where it is,

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