Dogs of War and Chaos Dwarfs

[monkeypants]

Just out of curiosity...
Are Dogs of War still a viable army in 8th ed? I don't see why they wouldn't be, but it will just keep bugging me if I don't find out. On a related note, can I still take Dogs of War as rares in another army? This is the basic DoW units, like pikemen and hireling wizzies, not the fancy Regiments of Renown. Although on a related related note, can RoR still be used? Probably not because a lot of them still count as multiple "choices" and there's no real way to work with that.
Also, are Chaos Dwarfs still a viable army? I mean, their rules are a bit outdated, but they're still semi-functional as far as I can tell. The only thing is, (and this is a subtle detail) in the last edition of the rules, Chaos Dwarfs were still included in the reference of the rulebook as an "army without a book", but this time around they aren't. Curious.
So if anyone could enlighten me on those issues I'd appreciate it, but this is just out of curiosity. I don't have an entire army of DoW or Chaos Dwarfs lying around that will go to waste if I don't know.

Cheers,
monkeypants

[Spanky_100]

DoW and CD armies are not supported by gw! But some Indy tourney allow for using them.

RoR are not allowed as far as I can tell.

Cheers!

Spanky

[KrysDagger]

You can use whatever army you want if you can find a willing opponent ...

I myself have Rutlug's Armoured Orks and am planning on getting a game in with them soon just for fun ...

Krys

[Border Reiver]

It is true that both armies are not supported by GW, in that they have no current models. However, both still have valid rule sets. Both sets came out in 6th ed and are definitely dated. There is, naturally some debate as to whether or not these rulesets are still valid as a result of their age.

It is my opinion that unless they are superceded, or there is a definite statement from the mother ship that these armies are no longer in the game, then they remain valid army lists - age has little to do with whether or not the army list is still valid. If age of the list was a criteria for the list no longer being valid then we would need to ditch Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Bretonnia - all 6th ed lists that remain valid.

Tournament organizers are of course free to state that these armies aren't allowed - of course they could also state that Daemon armies aren't allowed by the same theory.

Anyone who is interested in either army can go to some of the fansites dedicated to these admittedly fringe armies:

Chaos Dwarfs On-Line

Dogs of War On-Line

[monkeypants]

It is my opinion that unless they are superceded, or there is a definite statement from the mother ship that these armies are no longer in the game, then they remain valid army lists - age has little to do with whether or not the army list is still valid.

See, that was my line of reasoning. GW hasn't come out and said "Oh, yeah, and stop using Dogs of War and Chaos Dwarfs, because we say so." As for dated-ness of the rules, yes, Chaos Dwarfs are a bit dated, but the DoW rules are actually pretty usable. I mean the actual Dogs of War army, though, not the Regiments of Renown. And even though Chaos Dwarfs are a little old, they still seem like a functional army. That's just what I think though.
I guess in the end it really does come down to who you're up against. But like I said, I don't have either of these armies collecting dust at home. I was just curious.
I always thought it would be cool to put a hireling wizard in with my dwarfs though.

[KrysDagger]

I always thought it would be cool to put a hireling wizard in with my dwarfs though.

BLASHPHEMER !!!!!!

[monkeypants]

Yeah, well, what can I say.
The whole lack of magic thing always got to me, and I didn't (and still don't) want to go out and pick up an anvil because they look like a pain to build and I don't have the patience to paint another big metal model. War machines are enough.
A halfling hotpot would have been cool too.

[Suicide_King]

I wonder if the game designers considered a horde of 60 pikemen when they drew up the current rules.

[Spanky_100]

I wonder if the game designers considered a horde of 60 pikemen when they drew up the current rules.

....hehhehe....nasty surprise for someone's cavalry.

[Border Reiver]

Except that most heavy cavalry has the armour save to weather the pike storm. But they are quite nasty.

I keep wondering if there are plans afoot to incorporate pikes into the 8th ed Empire rules, with all the references the Black Library keeps putting into their books with "the pike being the strength of the Empire."

Both DOW and CD armies are quite viable in 8th ed. - and I've used a horde of CD warriors to consistently do nasty things to HE, and it is hard to beat the sheer volume of attacks that a pike armed horde can kick out (5 ranks of attacks: front +3 ranks for the pikes+1 for the horde).