General inquiry

[Mael]

Hey guys,

Heres the deal, I used to play fantasy alot and when 8th ed came out, I freaked out. Needing money and thinking that there was no longer any tactics involved in the game, I sold all my stuff. That being sais, after reading alot of posts and looking in on a few games, people seem to generally enjoy the new rules and how everything plays out.

I was wondering the following, how do the new rules affect the armies, more specifically, empire, warriors of chaos and orcs and goblins. I'm looking for a more in depth perceptions here then superficial comments the likes of, «it's great».

Thanks alot guys.

[newborn]

honest suggestion: stay out of this game if you already sold your army once, it's pretty much give or take the same system with some twist to make everything die faster and game played faster. Good for you for saving your self a lot money and time before and hope you won't get sucked back in this S hole again.

[Mael]

Lol thanks for the honest opinion. I'm not sure about getting back into the game (probably not going to) but, being an emplyee who sorta has to know his stuff and might need to start this game for job purposes... I might as well get all the info I need now rather then later.

[Rosscoe]

Well Ive played 3 games of it, 1 7th ed and 2 8th ed, 8th ed as stated is little quicker, some rules have been changed so it flows a little more like 40k in a sense. I look to get into more fantasy matchs but I got to tweak it let alone get some gas money aside to make trips to Ottawa for any matchs .

[Mael]

Thanks for you input rosscoe.

[G-Ram]

Hey Mael. I guess the points about a less strategic fantasy have already been made (and are valid) but to answer your other questions: Orcs and Gobbos are always fun and silly when being played. The army can of course win but to do so (as well as tomb kings) there is a synergie of units required, neither army can field the I WIN death star such as how other ones do, this will probably be a trend with 8th ed army books ie that they are a bit softer and require a decent army selection to work. Warriors of chaos are very very good now. The game revolves around infantry and big units of them so warriors can do this with some of the best sledgehammer deathstars out there. Not to mention they have some nasty magic items and can get 3+ ward saves on chosen and on their characters. But the army has one weakness and as a dark elf player this is what I exploit. Unlike any other fantasy army, warriors always play the exact same, always. You can count on them having to advance towards you and engage you with their death star, you know they have nasty magic and nasty heroes, but this can be dealt with. So the trick with beating them is that you can know how they will play and the trick with playing them, is to figure out how to play them in a new way (which so far I have never seen). Lastly, Empire are much more competitive now. Take a huge unit of hobo's and the pope-mobile and then max out on a gunline and there is little that will win against that (except lizardmen, skaven and warriors) everything else gets completely pasted. Otherwise the army can be played traditionnaly with big blocks of state troops but since cavalry are realy nerfed in this edition, the cannons compensate for a lack of hard hiting units.

What you have to remember about 8th ed is that it is a beer and preztles game and few people will say otherwise. It is no longer meant for tournements (which is why i do not like it) but it is fun to play with your friends. That being said some builds are absolutely rediculous so don't listen to people who say the game is balanced, it is not. There are a couple builds will almost always win, like nothing ever seen in 7th ed or in 40k. So if you want competitive lists to play against there are plenty of them. Or take my approach pick your favorite army (dark elves ftw) and don't give a S about rules that cannot be changed and have fun since you love the army and enjoy playing games with your friends.

[Mael]

Thanks G-Ram, it's exactly the type of comment I need.

[G-Ram]

Thanks G-Ram, it's exactly the type of comment I need.

No worries man. I am glad I could help

[KrysDagger]

To balance this out from the other side I actually enjoy 8th ed. I am playing an O&G army that I started building under 7th ed (I have about 5k of stuff) and the new army book gives you a tonne of choices. You can actually field 3-4 very distinct types of armies (all gobo, all ork, mix and match, cav heavy, lots of big monsters, you name it...) with the new book and they have all been fun. If you are looking for a good variety and the purpose for playing is to have fun games then O&G is a good choice, but you better like painting green.


My one concern about 8th ed over all is that magic is very powerful and one good turn of magic can make or break a game. And if that one turn of magic manages to wipe out the other players mage so they can't retaliate in like the game can be pretty painful. That being said I have not had a game of 8th I have not enjoyed (about 5 so far) but that could be as much about the people I play as anything else. Once I get a few more games under my belt I am thinking that restricing mages to level 2 ... and eliminating the "6th" spell (which is usually the template of doom spell for most lists) might turn the game into something more strategic with the troops mattering more, but I will have to wait a little longer till we get there. The other little fix that is making the rounds in some of the UK and Aussi tourniments is that the irresistable force/miscast is only on 3x 6's .. instead of 2. 2 x 6's just counts towards the normal casting value. That is something I am also thinking about to tone down magic a little ...

Anyway, 8th ed is good fun just very different. Some people like it, some don't. Best option would be to borrow a friends army and try getting in a few games before you decide one way or another. What floats your boat is really up to you and I would not let anyone nay-say or talk me into it without giving it a go first. ..

Good luck picking an army if you go that route ...

Krys.

[KrysDagger]

If you are into podcasts and are looking for an interesting perspective on 8th Ed. you should check out one called "Heelenhammer". It is a few British guys talking warhammer and if you check out episode 64 (episode name "Love it or H8th it") they do a look back at what they were concered about back when 8th ed was released and what they think now that it has been a year. The cast is a little long but (2hrs plus) but they are entertaining and the retrospective on the first year of 8th ed. is interesting.

Krys